NATO: Ukraine will 'no doubt' join alliance when war with Russia ends, US defense secretary tells CNN

Watch the full interview with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin at 6 p.m. ET on “The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer.”


US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin told CNN on Thursday he has “no doubt” that Ukraine will become part of NATO after Russia’s war against the country ends.

“I have no doubt that will happen, and we heard just about every country in the room say as much,” Austin said in an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in Vilnius, Lithuania, following a two-day summit that was dominated by the question of when Kyiv would join the alliance.

“I think that was reassuring to [Ukrainian President] Volodymyr Zelensky, there are other things that should happen, like judicial reform and things that make sure that the democracy is in good shape,” Austin added.

NATO’s summit in Vilnius began with tense exchanges between Kyiv and the West over the lack of a timeline for Ukraine’s entry to the alliance, but ended Wednesday with a flurry of solidarity and security guarantees from Western leaders that Ukraine’s future is with the military bloc.

When asked by Blitzer how close Ukraine were to meeting NATO standards, Austin said that there was “still work to be done.”

“In terms of training and equipping, there is still work to be done,” Austin said. “But we are doing this work now as they fight this war and so things have been done up to this point there is more that will need to be done to ensure that they have a full complement of capabilities.”

US President Joe Biden had previously emphasized that Ukraine is not ready to enter NATO, telling CNN in an exclusive interview last week that Russia’s war in Ukraine needs to end before the alliance can consider adding Kyiv to its ranks.

Biden acknowledged at the summit that the alliance did not invite Ukraine to membership as it works on “necessary reforms.” But Biden added that “we’re not waiting on that process to be finished” to boost the country’s security.

During the interview, Austin also defended the US’ controversial decision to support Ukraine with cluster munitions despite the risk to innocent civilians.

“First of all, I think we should remember that they are fighting hard to defend their sovereign territory,” Austin told Blitzer.

“You know, they’re not asking for the munitions to go invade another, another country, as the Russians did, they’ve been using cluster munitions from the very beginning.”

Austin continued to say that Ukrainians have committed “in writing” to make sure that these munitions are used only in the “appropriate places,” and not used in populated areas.

“They will record the places that they use them and they will prioritize de-mining efforts,” he said.

“And we will help them do that, in those places where they gave us the conditions.”

When asked by Blitzer how long the US would need to provide cluster bombs to Ukraine, Austin said that he wants to make sure “Ukraine can remain successful in their fight” so he would not “speculate how long that’s going to take.”

“We’re going stay focused on making sure that they have what they need to continue to provide the support for their maneuver,” Austin said.

During his CNN interview, Austin also emphasized that the US “don’t seek a contentious relationship with China.”

“We have reached out at multiple levels. It’s really important for countries with our kinds of capabilities are able to talk to each other so that we can manage these relationships,” Austin said.

“We don’t seek a contentious relationship with China. Our relationship is one of competition … As we continue to sail the international seas and fly the international skies, we want to make sure that everyone is doing things in a safe manner. We certainly are doing things in a safe and authorized manner.”

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